Rob Borley and Kevin Smith discuss the evolution of software development. 

They explore the complexities of traditional software engineering, the importance of maintaining quality and safety in software, and the balance between rapid prototyping and thorough development. 

Thinking fast, build slow. This is Vibe Coding for grown-ups. This is how professional should use the new wave of tools and techniques. And what to avoid.

The discussion also touches on the need for new training approaches for developers, the integration of AI in software development, and the rapid pace of technological change. 

The conversation also explores the dual nature of OpenAI, discussing its evolution from a research-focused organisation to a commercial entity. The speakers delve into the complexities of OpenAI's model naming conventions, the emergence of agentic models, and the impact of AI on creativity and development. 

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