As free-thinkers and believers in agency, we were very surprised to realize in this conversation that we believe obedience has its place -- and can be required to create big, complex things that take belief, when sometime's logic and data would tell us something else.

Join Kahran and Divya to explore where to use discipline, where to use obedience, and how compliance comes into this mix in this week's episode, one of our favorites.

Theme music is by Steve Combs, available here: https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Steve_Combs/Steve_Combs_Premium_Preview_EP_1325/06__Steve_Com