Shadi Hamid of the Brookings Institution on the ways in which alarmist American commentators were wrong; whether Trumpism will get its revenge in 2024 (7:35); failures of the Democratic Party, despite victory (15:15); the most important takeaway from this election (24:30); French leader Macron’s absurd and offensive statements on Islam (29:00); how France could accommodate, rather than alienate, its Muslims (36:50); and why Turkish leader Erdogan’s rhetoric is beyond the pale (43:30). Buy Shadi’s book Islamic Exceptionalism on Amazon: https://amzn.to/2IgaRWz