This week, Lee talks with Ben Beaghan, whose debut album under the artist name Exile & Eden, drops on Friday. It's titled "Love and Loss." It will be available for purchase, as well as on all the major music steaming services.

He and Lee discuss the big themes of the album, pull back the curtain on the writing and recording process, and the heartbreak from Ben's own life that resulted in these songs.

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