we talk about souls and spiritual contracts, life lessons and learned lessons. serious talk with a lot of humor and debating... oh did i mention abu receives a severe muscle cramp in  hamstring area sitting around the 2 hr 20 minute mark...

2:18:30 to 2:24:00 Abu david talks about reduction of positive explains negative  ie instead of saying I am in pain instead say I am in less pleasure and he gets a severe muscle cramp in hammy area.