"It should not be a novelty that there's more than one Black person on stage playing Beethoven and I vowed that minute that I was going to put everything I had into doing something about this."

Meet Artistic Directors Chi Chi Nwanoku OBE (Chineke Foundation) and Prof Deborah Cheetham AO (Short Black Opera) and hear them talk about their decades-long careers, decolonising systems and breaking down doors in Australian and UK classical music.