Join Jade and Rene for their thoughts on the recent, infamous podcast episode featuring Michael Shikashio and Ivan Balabanov. Join Jade and Rene to hear their related thoughts, learn what a strawman argument is, and an alternative definition to what it means to “learn from the other side”. Keep in mind people are as much shaped by their environment and past experience as dogs are, we all interpret the world slightly differently, and personal attacks are never ok (but engagement with specific arguments is!).