Novelist Thrity Umrigar, author of Everybody's Son, joins Marrie Stone to talk about issues of race, class, authority to tell another person's story, and the somewhat magical way this book came to her. In the second half, Elizabeth Kostova joins to talk about her novel, The Shadow Land. She discusses her connection to Bulgaria, what her research revealed, why this novel has gained importance in our political climate, and more.  Download audio. (KUCI-FM broadcast date: June 28, 2017)