The way we educate needs a rethink. All the elements we need are already in front of us, we just need fresh eyes to examine them. One way is to stop differentiating between ‘academics’ and ‘students’. We should all just be 'learners', all constantly challenging the status quo. Isabella Dobrescu and Alberto Motta emphasise that learning must both reflect and fit into our lives, and be a bold experience that is personal, interactive and fun...because who said education can’t be as entertaining as Netflix or Super Mario? Or both?

A UNSW Centre for Ideas project, with podcast editing and music composition by Bryce Halliday.

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