The climate change battle through one coal miner's eyes. And why Scott Pruitt, President Trump's E.P.A. chief, confounds both sides. Guests: Coral Davenport, who covers energy and the environment for The New York Times; Mark Gray, who spent 38 years working in the coal mines of Kentucky. For more information on today’s episode, visit http://nyti.ms/2nPhB1g.

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