Steve and Ben discuss the ban of TikTok in the US and how its American users are flocking to different platforms, with some claiming to be refugees. Steve and Ben also discuss how Threads was unable to take off in the same way as new rival Bluesky has been able to, as well as the new decentralised platform Lemmy, which claims to be a Reddit successor but a truly democratised one that is not owned by any one, and subject to the same bias of private ownership.