Tim Alberta is chief political author at Politico and author of the 2019 New York Times Bestseller, "American Carnage: On the Front Lines of the Republican Civil War and the Rise of President Trump."

We talk about what comes next for the Republican party in the wake of an election where it showed promising trends for the future, but in which the party's leader and the sitting president told lie after lie about the integrity of the election, dragging some of the leading figures in the party with him.

Tim's recent piece, "The Election that Broke the Republican Party," is here.

The interview with Democrat David Shor in Politico about challenges facing the Democratic party is here.

Outro music: "House of a Thousand Guitars" by Bruce Springsteen

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