In this conversation, Kel and Cody discuss various topics ranging from personal experiences to the intricacies of bodybuilding competitions. They delve into the challenges faced by trans individuals regarding gender affirming surgery and maintaining fitness goals. The discussion transitions into the recent Olympia event, highlighting the drama surrounding competitors, particularly Nick Walker's unexpected dropout and the eventual victory of Samson. They also speculate on the future of Classic Physique following Cbums retirement, emphasizing the evolving landscape of bodybuilding and the importance of mental health in the sport.