Dr. Thomas Gordon, former director of Early Childhood Services at Jefferson, former University of Pennsylvania professor, founder and current principal of TAGA Consulting, joins us for a powerful conversation about his history growing up in the Jim Crow south. He describes his and his family's experiences of racism and his own journey of educational and professional achievement. As an expert on leadership, Dr. Gordon also shares his insights on that important topic. • You can find Dr. Gordon at TAGA Consulting here: https://www.tagaconsulting.com/ •

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Theme music by Lee Rosevere: freemusicarchive.org/music/Lee_Rosevere/