Dr. Niobe Way is the Steinhardt Professor of Applied Psychology at NYU and the author of many books on boyhood and the crisis of connection, including the just-released Rebels With a Cause: Reimagining Boys, Ourselves, and Our Culture. In this interview, we talk about the danger of coding maturity and success as strictly masculine; why our culture values emotional hardness over emotional softness; the psychology of mass shooters; the importance of feeling heard and seen; how to listen with curiosity; the emotional wisdom of 5-year-olds; how thinking and feeling are inseparable; the questions we should be asking teenagers; and the importance of telling thick vs thin stories. •

You can learn more about Dr. Way and her work here: https://steinhardt.nyu.edu/people/niobe-way •

Her book signing is happening here: https://stores.barnesandnoble.com/event/9780062173241-0 •

Learn more about the co-hosts and the MCGC here: menscenterphilly.org/ •

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Theme music by Lee Rosevere: freemusicarchive.org/music/Lee_Rosevere/