Kelsey Hightower, Product Manager and Chief Advocate at CoreOS, joined host Alex Williams, and harsh-light-of-morning-averse co-host Donnie Berkholz, to partake in The New Stack’s pancake breakfast at CoreOS Fest, and to discuss Tectonic, package management, and shaping the appc spec. Kelsey and Donnie delved into the state of the stack market before fielding questions from the carbed-up crowd, and also re-asking the enduring question, “what is DevOps?”

“I really like what Docker has done for the market system,” says Kelsey. “I think it’s healthy competition. When they do something well, like libnetwork, there’s a lot of overlap for some of the things we’re doing in Rocket.”