Part 2 of our chat with herpetologist Rob Gandola. This time we're tackling the thorny issue of the rights and wrongs of keeping exotic pets and the unregulated pet trade.

With cameos by tubular and amazing slow worms (who have been unfairly associated with hippies in the west of Ireland) and a couple of media-friendly frogs from Collie's shed.

Here's a bit of reading from National Geographic on the - at times horrific - history of the global exotic pet trade.

Music: Podington (Curious, Algo Rhythm, Chauncy).

Presented by Collie Ennis and Colette Kinsella, with herpetologist Rob Gandola.

Produced by Colette Kinsella for Red Hare Media.

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