In this conversation, Sanni Parkkinen and Katja Markelova explore one of the most slippery and fluid thresholds in the human experience — the space between conceptualizing something and actually experiencing it.Have you ever been breathed by the wind — a visceral moment of dissolving boundaries between body and world? How do we move from talking about life to being moved by life?From doing breath(work) to becoming breath?In this episode:

• The difference between understanding an experience and becoming it.
• Why we cling to concepts — and how conceptualizing is both a survival strategy and a form of disconnection.
• The Imaginal Realm — a living, breathing in-between world where the seen and unseen meet.
• What “switching coordinates” means and how to shift from human contraction into imaginal belonging.
• How somatics, movement, and breath can either liberate or confine us, depending on our coordinates.
• A willingness to be imaginably unstable.

Enjoy!