Whine & Wine

Together at Last! The Blended Couple


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Wow. That's (almost) all I can say.


In this final episode of our current stepmom series, it's a threesome!

A three-way.

Wait, what now?

It's Kathy, Jyl, AND Rich as Kathy wraps up her fabulous round of interviews regarding Jyl's book, What to Expect When You Weren't Expecting.


This was another amazing block of time well spent as we talked together about:

  • The misconceptions about boundaries
  • Compassion vs Solutions
  • Which is most important: the marriage, the family, or the children?
  • Why that five-year mark in blended families is so important.
  • And more!
  • This was the first time Rich & Kathy met in person and the first time he experienced the Kathy & Jyl show live. Deer in headlights? Table for one.


    This episode's nonsor is the Angus Barn. The Angus Barn tells the story of Jyl & Rich's relationship and is where What to Expect When You Weren't Expecting was born. If you're heading to the Raleigh area, do not miss a stop at the globally known, family-owned restaurant. Make your reservation early as seats are hard to come by! And make sure you tell Van, Jim, Henk, and Kevin that we said hello!


    Can’t get enough of us? Well, you’re one of very few.

    Get to know us! 

    • ⁠⁠Jyl Barlow⁠⁠ has all things Jyl! Also, it’s pronounced, “jill.”

      • ⁠⁠Which Way's Up⁠⁠ is Jyl’s blog, home of weekly epiphanies and often overshares

      • ⁠⁠What to Expect When You Weren't Expecting⁠⁠ is Jyl's best-selling memoir about her hilarious struggles as a (step)mother. Buy it online at Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Goodreads, and Target!

      • ⁠⁠Kathy Crowley⁠⁠'s Thought for the Day (accessorized with a favorite timepiece and signature scent) can be found on ⁠Instagram⁠. Watch videos of all our Nonsor products on ⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠ or⁠ ⁠TikTok⁠⁠!

      • Wine & Whine is part of Bearlow Productions and is created Jyl Barlow and Kathy Crowley. 

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