This is an experiment... It's immersive.  Sit with a glass of cider and a plate of delicious things and discover the origins of a new cheese created by two great producers, Tom Oliver of Oliver's Cider and David Jowett of Kingstone Dairy. 

It's a departure for The Cellarman Podcast, more of a rambling chat over good food - a bit of escapism at a time when we need it.

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