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  • Bill Oyster & Capt. Rhett Morris | Oyster Bamboo Fly Rods | Ep. #1033

    Bill Oyster of Oyster Bamboo Fly Rods and Capt. Rhett Morris join me for a story about craftsmanship, business, and one very hard-earned permit.

    Bill builds fly rods out of bamboo, a technology most anglers left behind decades ago. He had a four-year waiting list, but he was working until 3 AM seven days a week and realized he’d never make a middle-class income building rods. So he started teaching people to build their own. Today Oyster Bamboo runs 240 students a year through its classes, and the waitlist stretches two years out. Bill shares how one phone call from a determined wife led to his first student and why other rod makers warned him that teaching would put them all out of business. He also talks about building rods for President Carter and a royal wedding gift.

    Rhett walked into Bill’s shop by accident in Blue Ridge, Georgia, and ended up building a 10-weight bamboo rod he named “The Permit.” He tells the story of the three years it took to land a permit on that rod and why it meant more than any fish he’s caught.

    Learn more and get on the class waitlist at oysterbamboo.com

    1 hr 14 min
  • Jaclyn Lunaas and Chris Macaluso | Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership | Ep. 1032

    One company owned by Canada’s Cooke Inc. is catching about 70% of all the Atlantic menhaden that can legally be harvested. The fish we love to chase depend on that bait to survive: striped bass, tarpon, redfish, cobia, king mackerel, and bluefin tuna all rely on menhaden, and so do ospreys and whales.

    I sat down with Chris Macaluso and Jaclyn Lunaas of the Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership (TRCP) to find out how this works. They explain how Virginia ended up with 75% of the coast-wide quota, and how a leasing loophole lets a foreign-owned company fish under an American flag. We also cover the Louisiana bycatch study, which estimated that 140 to 160 million additional fish are killed in a single Gulf season, including about 30,000 redfish and 250,000 speckled trout.

    We get into the science too. Regulators found that the Atlantic menhaden population had been overestimated by about 40%. The science called for a cut of more than 50%, but the commission took only a 20% cut for 2026. In the Gulf, Louisiana and Mississippi have no catch limits at all.

    Most importantly, Chris and Jaclyn explain what you can do about it, even if you never catch a striped bass in your life.

    Learn more and sign the petition: trcp.org/foragefishrecovery

    Chapters

    00:00 One company is catching most of the menhaden
    01:04 Meet Chris Macaluso & Jaclyn Lunaas of TRCP
    05:20 Why menhaden are “the most important fish in the sea”
    06:54 The reduction industry: fish meal, fish oil & pet food
    09:22 Migration and the predators that follow menhaden
    11:26 Pogey boats, spotter planes & the Gulf bycatch study
    16:01 Warning signs in the Chesapeake Bay
    20:18 Striped bass as the yardstick
    22:01 The most efficient fishery there is
    25:34 The ask: lower the quota and reallocate it
    27:55 The 40% overestimate and the 2026 quota cut
    29:59 How Virginia got 75% of the quota
    33:30 Why other states banned reduction boats
    37:31 The foreign-ownership loophole
    40:20 The Gulf’s “Wild Wild West”: no catch limits
    45:20 Ecology vs. economics and king mackerel
    49:51 How do you count a bait fish?
    54:58 Tarpon, redfish & the all-you-can-eat buffet
    58:32 What anglers can do to help
    1:02:06 Lessons from Captains for Clean Water
    1:06:15 How to get involved

    #menhaden #stripedbass #fishingconservation #tarpon #redfish #TomRowlandPodcast

    1 hr 9 min
  • Dane Sanders | Men and Women of Discomfort | Ep. 1031

    Full Article on Tomrowlandpodcast.com

    Episode Description -
    Most people drift their way into worse health, weaker relationships, and a life they don’t recognize. Dane Sanders says the answer isn’t another burst of motivation—it’s an operating system for becoming stronger in the middle of real life.
    Tom Rowland sits down with Dane, founder of Men and Women of Discomfort (MWOD), for a conversation about why voluntary discomfort matters, how drift quietly erodes your gains, and why the hardest parts of life are often the ones that change you most. If you’ve ever started strong on a challenge, a fitness plan, or a personal reset—only to watch it fade—this episode will hit close to home.
    Visit The Website: https://www.mwod.io/
    You’ll discover:
    Why Dane says MWOD is more than a challenge—and how it differs from programs built around a finish line
    The difference between the drift and the storm, and why both are inevitable
    How MWOD uses daily check-ins, weekly challenges, and a 12-week cadence to build momentum
    The CREDO framework: commit, release, embrace, define, and own it
    Why discomfort doesn’t have to be physical to be transformational
    How a challenge called Ghostbusters helped people pursue forgiveness, reconnection, and meaningful conversations
    Dane also shares how MWOD began with his friend Tim Kruger. Tim’s battle with cancer brought home a powerful idea: practice voluntary discomfort before involuntary discomfort chooses you. That became a turning point—transforming a fitness experiment into a lasting philosophy about faith, purpose, and becoming the kind of person who can handle what comes next.
    This conversation goes far beyond workouts. It’s about identity, belonging, resilience, and the small choices that shape your future—whether in your health, relationships, work, faith, or the conversations you’ve been avoiding.
    Dane Sanders is the founder of Men and Women of Discomfort, a community built around deliberate discomfort, accountability, and sustainable growth. The goal: to become strong and awake for love’s sake.
    If you’re tired of starting over and ready to build something that lasts, this conversation is for you.
    Chapters
    00:00 Introduction to the Men and Women of Discomfort challenge
    02:21 What is the challenge and how does it differ from a traditional challenge
    04:18 Discomfort as an operating system for life
    09:17 The storms and drift of being human
    11:45 The concept of anti-fragility and resilience
    16:44 The story of Tim and the discovery of the challenge's purpose
    21:28 How the program is structured and what participants do
    24:53 The Ghostbusters challenge and calling out personal ghosts
    27:47 Stacking wins and momentum in discomfort
    32:24 The evolution of the challenge into an operating system
    37:42 Most difficult challenge and lessons learned
    38:07 The concept of Masogi and high-risk, high-reward challenges
    39:32 Personal stories of endurance and discomfort
    43:49 Uncovering hidden discomforts in daily life
    49:35 The power of small daily improvements
    54:34 The CREDO process: Commit, Release, Embrace, Own
    01:03:17 Final thoughts on discomfort and transformation

    1 hr 12 min
  • Jere Hartman | "RangeOars Row" | Ep. 1029

    Jere Hartman spent 19 years in the Army, including time as an Army Ranger, then went straight into the FBI's Terrorist Screening Center. Two years later he'd put on 50 pounds and was spending his nights sitting in the dark. So he walked into his performance review and resigned.

    What came next was a six-month thru-hike of the Appalachian Trail (trail name: Clincher, and he'll tell you why). Ten years later, he answered a Facebook post in the Ranger community and signed on to row across the Pacific Ocean.

    In this episode, Jere and I talk about:

    • Why leaving a structured military life with no transition nearly broke him
    • Trail magic, trail families, and what the AT gave him that he didn't expect
    • Rowing from Monterey to Kauai in 35 days with a five-man crew in the World's Toughest Row
    • Keeping the boat's water maker alive after it broke on day three
    • Riding out 30-foot seas at night in a rowboat, and the crew pact that "it's 100% or we don't make that decision"
    • Weeks of glowing phosphorescence, hundreds of dolphins, and a pint of rum split five ways
    • Corsair Racing, the nonprofit he helped build to get veterans out on the ocean, and the crew now training for a 3,000-mile Atlantic row from La Gomera to Antigua
    • Coaching CrossFit in Chattanooga, and why he believes it's for everyone, no matter how beat up you are
    • Support Corsair Racing: https://corsairracing.org

      This episode is brought to you by Star brite, makers of Salt Off and a full line of boat-care products, and a company that invests heavily in conservation. Check them out at https://www.starbrite.com

      🎙 Subscribe to the Tom Rowland Podcast for more conversations with people doing extraordinary things.

      #TomRowlandPodcast #OceanRowing #Veterans #AppalachianTrail #ArmyRanger #WorldsToughestRow #CrossFit

      1 hr 7 min
    • Rhett Morris | Beyond Borders Outfitters | Ep. 1028

      Captain Rhett Morris of morefishflorida.com has guided the greater Charlotte Harbor area for three decades — and he kept a catch log almost every day of it. That data now tells a story the numbers on Florida's coast are backing up: a steady, decades-long decline in snook, redfish, and trout that's accelerated since the mid-2000s.

      In this episode, Rhett walks Tom through what his records reveal, what actually caused the collapse (the record-shattering 2018 red tide, the nitrogen overload, and the algae that smothered the seagrass), and why Hurricane Milton turned out to be one of the best things to happen to the fishery in years. Then he lays out his proposal: treat Charlotte Harbor as a test zone, change the redfish and snook slot limits, and let the fishery become its own hatchery. It's not a mandate — it's the start of a conversation, and it comes with a real economic case for why even the developers should care.

      If it resonates, there's a petition at morefishflorida.com. As Rhett says, sharing it may matter even more than signing it.

      👉 Sign & share the petition: https://morefishflorida.com

      This episode is brought to you by Star brite — makers of Salt Off and a full line of boat-care products, and a company that puts real effort into conservation. Check them out.

      CHAPTERS

      00:00 Intro & Star brite
      00:47 Meet Capt. Rhett Morris
      02:00 Bowhunting turkeys & the confiscated African poacher's bow
      04:30 Growing up in Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe)
      06:30 Landing in Florida & a biologist father
      07:30 Quail hunting, bird dogs & vanishing habitat
      12:30 How his dad's record-keeping shaped him
      15:00 30 years of catch data — the decline
      20:00 The bait situation
      21:00 The record-breaking 2018 red tide
      28:00 Seagrass loss & the algae that smothered the flats
      32:00 How Hurricane Milton helped
      37:30 The fix: rethinking slot limits
      40:00 The redfish proposal (25–27")
      44:00 The snook proposal & 75 billion eggs
      47:30 Why the FWC hasn't acted
      49:00 Charlotte Harbor as a test zone
      54:00 The economic case — $497M and thousands of jobs
      1:06:00 Where to sign: morefishflorida.com
      1:07:00 The closure data that proves the point
      1:11:00 A guide's responsibility & catch-and-release
      1:20:00 Wrap-up & call to action
      1:21:00 Next week: a bamboo fly rod & a permit

      #TomRowlandPodcast #Fishing #Snook #Redfish #CharlotteHarbor #Conservation #FloridaFishing

      1 hr 25 min
    • David Moss | The Nature Conservancy | Ep. 1027

      Red snapper season in the South Atlantic got shut down the night before it opened — and most anglers still don't really know why. In this one, I sit down with David Moss, Fisheries Project Manager for The Nature Conservancy, to break the whole thing down in plain English: what an EFP actually is, the lawsuit that closed the season, why managers and anglers see two completely different oceans, and the surprising reason keeping your spots secret might be the very thing costing you fishing days.

      David's a Florida-born fisherman first and a fisheries guy second, and he makes the case for why the catch data you throw away — including the days you get skunked — is exactly what the fishery needs to open more seasons, not fewer.

      We get into:

      • Why red snapper are stacked up in the Atlantic but you can't keep one
      • How "rare event species" like tilefish and snowy grouper get shortchanged by old data
      • The truth about whether your secret numbers are actually safe in reporting apps
      • Gulf vs. Atlantic red snapper — two fisheries, same fish
      • The Goliath grouper problem everyone sees but no one can prove
      • How to actually get involved if you're fed up
      • Get in touch or get involved:

        David Moss — [email protected]
        The Nature Conservancy Florida fishing: nature.org/floridafishing
        Reporting apps mentioned: iAngler, Got One, MyFWC, Vessel
        Councils: South Atlantic Fishery Management Council, Gulf of America Fishery Management Council, FWC
        Also mentioned: Angler Action Foundation, West Palm Beach Fishing Club

        Brought to you by Star brite — makers of Salt Off and a full line of boat care products, and a company doing real work in conservation. starbrite.com

        Chapters:

        00:00 – Intro & catching up (mangroves, lobster mini season)
        02:20 – What The Nature Conservancy actually does
        04:30 – Red snapper: what happened and why the season closed
        07:30 – EFPs explained in plain terms + the lawsuit
        10:00 – Three states reapply — what a real season could look like
        12:00 – App-based reporting and the data managers need
        14:00 – Discards, barotrauma & why released fish still count
        15:30 – Deep-water "rare event species" & TNC's pilot project
        17:30 – "Why should I give them my data?" — the honest answer
        23:00 – How catch data gets collected now (dock surveys & mail-in)
        25:30 – Do the apps work offshore? Are your spots protected?
        33:30 – Gulf vs. Atlantic red snapper
        37:00 – ACLs, sectors & how commercial reporting works
        40:00 – How David got hooked on fisheries management
        44:00 – The Goliath grouper problem
        47:30 – How to get involved (councils, clubs, public comment)
        51:00 – Soccer, family & a coaching detour
        54:30 – From landscaping to The Nature Conservancy
        59:00 – The one message: your information matters
        1:04:30 – Secret spots, hunters vs. anglers & sharing data
        1:09:30 – Wrap-up & resources

        1 hr 12 min
      • Capt Dylan Hubbard | Hubbard's Marina | Ep. 1026

        Everybody keeps asking me about red snapper — why they're everywhere and you can't keep them in one place, and nowhere to be found in another. So I brought on someone who lives on both sides of that fight.

        Dylan Hubbard is VP of Hubbard's Marina in Madeira Beach — a fourth-generation, nearly 100-year-old operation — and he's also president of the Florida Guides Association, VP of the Charter Fisherman's Association, and chair of the Gulf Council Reef Fish Advisory Panel. He's one of the only guests we've had who's both a working charter operator and deeply embedded in the federal fisheries decision-making process. That combination makes this one of the clearest breakdowns of what's really happening with our fishery that I've heard.

        In this conversation we get into:

        • Why red snapper is a Gulf success story but a crisis in the South Atlantic — and how discard mortality quietly shrinks the season every year
        • The EFP fight, the 11th-hour injunction, and MRIP vs. state (SRFS) data — why "letting them guess" hurts anglers
        • How his grandfather's handwritten notes from a 1988 meeting let Dylan change federal law in two meetings to save his 39-hour trips
        • The gag grouper rebound, the lag between what we see on the water and what the science says, and where AI is starting to change fisheries research
        • Getting fired by his own dad — and reopening the marina five days after Hurricane Helene
        • "If you're not in the room, you're on the menu." If you care about the future of the fishery, this is the one to watch.

          Connect with Dylan & Hubbard's Marina:

          🌐 hubbardsmarina.com
          📺 Hubbard's Marina on YouTube & Facebook — plus their live Q&A show every second Sunday of the month, 7:30 PM ET
          📞 Text or call 727-393-1947

          This episode is brought to you by Star Brite — makers of Salt Off and a full line of products to take care of your boat, and a company that gives back through conservation. Check them out.

          1 hr 25 min
        • Rich Hernandez | "Do Hard Things 365" | Ep. 1025

          Rich Hernandez can do 5,000 push-ups without ever touching his knees — and he's

          chasing a world record that hasn't been broken since 1980. But as he tells me
          here, it was never really about the push-ups. This time we're in person, right
          after a morning workout together, digging into how an MIT engineer with a Yale
          MBA walked away from the aerospace world to preach the gospel of hard work — and
          why the same process that took him from 40 push-ups to 5,000 (and a 7-minute
          plank to a 4-hour one) applies just as much to your business, your parenting,
          and anything else you're trying to get better at.
          Presented by Star brite — clean and protect your boat: https://bit.ly/4o80cws
          ▶ Rich's first time on the show (EP 974: Record-Breaking Conquest):
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wL-YJXbbZM
          CHAPTERS
          00:00 Welcome + Star brite (live and in person)
          01:00 The push-up guy: 5,000 reps and chasing the world record
          02:00 Receipts: livestreams and 12,345 push-ups in a day
          04:00 From MIT and Northrop Grumman to a Yale MBA
          05:00 The gospel of hard work: 333,000 push-ups in a year
          06:00 What the family business taught him
          08:00 How getting better at one thing spills into everything
          10:00 Veronica, "Life Is Good," and the power of agency
          12:00 The push-up progression: 40 to 5,000
          14:00 Atomic Habits, 1% better, and the hockey stick
          15:00 The planking journey: 7 minutes to 4 hours
          17:00 Why the first five months are the hardest
          18:00 Consistency, accuracy, intensity
          19:00 The traveling salesman problem
          21:00 Where to follow Rich
          FOLLOW RICH — Do Hard Things 365
          YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Dohardthings365
          Instagram: @dohardthings365
          SUBSCRIBE TO THE TOM ROWLAND PODCAST
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          Free fishing knot guide: https://bit.ly/3UnAeIP


          23 min
        • Capt. Brandon McGraw | "Space Coast Fishing Charters" | Ep. 1024

          Captain Brandon McGraw is a Space Coast fishing guide who runs Space Coast Sport Fishing out of the Melbourne area, working the Mosquito Lagoon, the Indian River, and Sebastian Inlet on Florida's east-central coast. A retired firefighter with 20 years at Orlando Fire Department, he now guides full time for redfish, seatrout, and some of the largest snook in Florida. In this episode he explains how the Mosquito Lagoon clawed back from its seagrass collapse, why the Sebastian area grows oversized snook, and the small details that decide light-tackle tournaments.

          1 hr

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