Episode 1012 of the Tom Rowland Podcast is a catch-up conversation with kayak fishing tournament angler Dustin Nichols that turned into something I did not see coming — a 192 BPM heart rate at 51, the energy drinks that put him in the back of an ambulance, the BMX comeback that has taken 50 pounds off him at 54, and his honest take on where kayak fishing is headed.

Five years ago Dustin came on the podcast for the first time. I had him back this week to find out what had happened since. What he told me ended up being one of the more honest comeback stories I have heard on this show in a while, and I wanted to share why.

Jamie Howard is the filmmaker behind Chasing Silver, Running the Coast, Location X, Black Salmon, and Bass The Movie — and yesterday he sat down with me to talk about his new podcast Cameras Off, the Tarpon Diaries series he's launching inside it, and where the show is going next as it expands beyond fishing

Jamie and I have been crossing paths for more than twenty years. He pulled me into Location X back when I was figuring out the film world, and he's still the kind of person who looks at the water like he's seeing it for the first time. That's part of why his films land.

The reason I want you to listen to this one is simple. The article gives you the topics. The audio gives you Jamie — his timing, his hedge, the way he laughed when I told him I thought there was a foot in the frame of his most famous shot. None of that translates to text. Hear it from him.

Follow Cameras Off on Spotify — Season 1 is out, the Tarpon Diaries series drops on Thursdays, and the channel is widening out to include adventure photographers, Red Bull wingsuit flyers, and outdoor stories beyond fishing. Animation is rolling out on Jamie's Instagram as well. Everything is also at howardfilms.com.

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Filmmaker and founder of Howard Films. His fishing documentary catalog includes Rising Tide, Chasing Silver, Location X (and its sequel), Bass The Movie, Running the Coast, and Black Salmon. Former advertising creative director with work for British Airways, Adidas, and others across his New York and Los Angeles years. He now hosts the Cameras Off podcast on Spotify and Apple — an outdoor stories channel that includes the Tarpon Diaries series and is widening beyond fishing into adventure photography, wingsuit flying, and other unexpected outdoor lives.

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Website: howardfilms.com

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Calder Allen caught a 13-and-a-half-pound bass on fly at night in Lake Austin, dropped out of college to pursue music, and routes his tours around fishing destinations across the country. In this conversation, he shares stories from playing Bonnaroo, Lollapalooza, and Austin City Limits, why he almost became a fly fishing guide under JT Van Zandt, and the philosophical question that haunts him: what is wild anymore?

Bouncer Smith is one of the true legends of South Florida fishing — a charter captain, author, conservationist, and storyteller with over six decades on the water. He's written five books, guided thousands of anglers, and pioneered techniques that changed the way we rig lures and release fish. And now, in retirement, he's catching some of the best fish of his life.

In this conversation, we get into Bouncer's recent adventures — from bass fishing in the headwaters to landing two 100-pound tarpon in one afternoon on 80-pound braid in Biscayne Bay. We talk about the five biggest changes in fishing over the last 60 years, from depth finders to forward-facing sonar, from monofilament to braid, from J hooks to circle hooks. We get into his genius circle-hook-in-front-of-the-lure rigging method, solunar tables and how to use them, and Project CSafe — the massive conservation and fishing event happening April 17–26 in Grant, Florida, presented by Star Brite.

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Nick Cheskey is the host of Saltwater Underground, now in its

sixth season on ESPN2, Discovery Channel, Sportsman's Channel,

and Waypoint TV. He's one of the most versatile anglers in the

country — a guy who grew up fishing, surfing, and ice skating

on frozen Jersey swamps, and who pioneered surf shark fishing

on the Northeast coast before anyone else was even trying.

In this conversation, Nick and I catch up after three years and

cover a lot of ground — from saltwater rivers freezing over in

central Jersey to thresher sharks hunting with their tails to

prehistoric megalodon teeth in freshwater streams. This one goes

everywhere, and I loved every minute of it.

Some of the moments I found most meaningful in this conversation:

- Nick describing the first night he ever tried surf shark fishing

in 1998 — paddling bunker bait out on a surfboard in the dark,

alone, and having a thresher tail come whipping out of the water

right next to him

- How thresher sharks actually hunt — corralling bait with that

massive tail and using it like a weapon, which is unlike anything

else in the ocean

- The species showing up in Jersey waters that have no business

being there — tarpon off Cape Cod, cobia inshore, pompano in

the surf, and Spanish mackerel everywhere

- Nick's obsession with fossil hunting in New Jersey freshwater

streams and finding a Hell Pig tooth that nobody had ever

pulled out of Jersey before — 15 to 30 million years old

- A real conversation about the future of fishing media, social

media's effect on spot burning and content quality, and why

both of us think the pendulum is starting to swing back toward

expertise

00:00 Introduction

01:30 Three Years Since the Last Episode — What Nick's Been Up To

04:00 Ice Fishing Saltwater Rivers in Central Jersey

08:30 Growing Up Ice Fishing and Hockey in Frozen Jersey Swamps

13:00 Saltwater Underground Season 6 — ESPN2, Discovery, Waypoint TV

17:00 Filming Five Episodes in the Florida Keys

21:30 Sheepshead, Redfish, and Species Recolonizing the Northeast

27:00 Tarpon in New Jersey — Cape Cod Catches and the State Record

31:00 Surf Shark Fishing: How Nick Pioneered It in 1998

38:00 Thresher Sharks — How They Hunt and Why That Tail Is Deadly

44:00 The Great White Situation Up and Down the Coast

50:00 Fossil Hunting in Jersey Freshwater Streams

58:00 Finding a Hell Pig Tooth — 15 to 30 Million Years Old

1:04:00 Blood Worms, Sand Worms, and $35 a Dozen

1:09:00 The Saltwater Sportsman Seminar Series with George Poveromo

1:13:00 Social Media, In-Person Events, and the Future of Fishing Media

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Texas outdoorsman Kyle Gemas shares raw lessons from his Alaska mountain hunts—from crawling through claustrophobic alders in the Wrangells to covering 85 miles over 10 days in the Brooks Range for Dall sheep. Kyle breaks down his Leukotape foot care system, how 15+ tarpon tournaments prepared him for backcountry suffering, and why he's pursuing the North American Grand Slam of wild sheep.

Monty Burke writes about the best of the best — college football coaches, saltwater fly fishing legends, and the obsessed individuals who reach the top of whatever they pursue. In this episode of the Tom Rowland Podcast, Monty breaks down what Pete Carroll got right at USC that he couldn't pull off in the NFL, why Steve Huff at 80 years old is still one of the most fascinating people in fly fishing, and what the relationship between a great guide and an elite angler has in common with a great coach and his players. They also get into AI and why Monty thinks the removal of friction — of doing hard things — is one of the worst things that could happen to a generation trying to find purpose. Honest, wide-ranging, and the kind of conversation you'll still be thinking about the next time you're on the water.

George Poveromo — host of "George Poveromo's World of Saltwater Fishing" (26 seasons), Saltwater Sportsman columnist since 1983, and founder of the longest-running fishing seminar series in the country (39 years) — joins Tom for a conversation about building a career in the fishing industry from the ground up.

George shares the story of how buying a Mako instead of an Aqua Sport changed the trajectory of his entire life, the three-piece suit that landed him the Saltwater Sportsman gig, Mark Sosin's career advice that still holds up 40 years later, getting speared in the rear end by a sailfish, the shark population crisis in South Florida, and why AI-powered fishing forecasts are already here.

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0:00 - Introduction

1:30 - George's First Industry Job: The Miami Billfish Tournament

3:30 - First Story Sold to Outdoor Life for $300

4:10 - Joining Saltwater Sportsman in 1983

5:00 - Mark Sosin as Mentor

6:50 - The Embarrassing Boat Show Seminars That Started It All

7:55 - Launching George Poveromo's World of Saltwater Fishing (Year 26)

8:30 - The One Mako Trip That Changed Everything

10:55 - Pivotal Career Moments

12:30 - The Three-Piece Suit Interview at Saltwater Sportsman

15:40 - Mark Sosin's Advice: Never Take a Staff Position

17:00 - Building the Seminar Series Business Model

19:30 - How Technology Changed Seminar Attendance

22:00 - Peak Seminar Years and Tying Alice Cooper

24:00 - Stage Fright vs. Food Court Seminars

28:30 - COVID Pivot: Televised Seminar Series Hitting 1M+ Viewers

31:00 - 2026 Plans: TV This Year, 40th Anniversary Tour Next Year

33:45 - Studio vs. On-the-Water Production

35:00 - Finding Cameramen Who Don't Get Seasick

36:30 - The Sailfish That Speared George in the Rear

42:30 - Tom's Mutton Snapper Bacteria Scare

48:30 - FADs, Technology, and Modern Offshore Fishing

51:15 - Electronics Evolution: From LORAN to Bathymetric Charts

52:30 - Generational Shifts in Fish Populations

56:50 - The Shark Population Crisis in South Florida

1:04:00 - Conservation, Access, and the SHARK Act

1:08:00 - AI in Fishing: Ross Fish and Ocean Forecasting with Simrad

1:11:00 - Can AI Replace Fishing TV Hosts?

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Abby and Jack from Casting for Care tell the true story behind the foundation—an offshore marlin hookup that turned into a full emergency in seconds. Tourniquets made from sheets, boat-to-boat radio calls, firefighters onboard, and a medevac… it’s the kind of situation you never think will happen to you until it does.

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Mike Holland is the creator of the MINDBODY Energy Movement — a daily practice that blends movement, breathwork, and mindset into a simple system you can do anywhere, with zero equipment. In just 8 months, Mike went from posting on a personal account to building an audience of nearly 900,000 people, all around one mission: help people take control of their health and live life on their own terms.

In this conversation, we talk about why movement is medicine, why breath is the bridge between mind and body, and how discipline compounds the same way money does — one small decision at a time. We also get into what Mike’s doing with ManyChat, why he wasn’t charging anyone while it was blowing up, and how he’s building an app to turn this into a real community.

Some of the moments I found most meaningful in this conversation were:

The simplest reframe that changes everything: you don’t have to do it — you get to do it.

Why breathwork can unlock performance (and how it keeps you calm even when your heart rate is high).

Movement + rhythm = clarity — the way your brain settles when your body gets in sync.

“What you consume is what you become.” Not just food — information, people, and energy.

The real goal isn’t followers. It’s a million people taking ownership of their health.

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