Carl and Richard talk to Toni Kaufmann about the gamification of apps and the use of Cocos2D-x as a cross-platform development library for iPhone and Android. The conversation starts out with Toni talking about an app he built for the Swiss government to engage teenagers - using a game to educate them about bullying and sexual harassment. Toni talks about how much more effective a game model is over standard brochure-ware applications. From there he digs into the general psychology around gamification, what works and what doesn't.