Tony Lewis and Richard Short are highly experienced Environmental Health Practitioners, who share both a long friendship and a love and respect for their profession. Though, Tony has developed his career in academia and government, whilst Richard has ended up in the private sector, their passion for the benefits of environmental health cannot be questioned.

In this episode of the podcast, we discuss topics including:

Their roads to where they are now and lessons learned along the way

The Dispatches TV show that both were involved in: what's it like being on tv; how to navigate the competing agendas of what the producers want to show vs what you want to say; how did the show turn out; why wasn't Richard really shown much on camera

The importance of insights not just data (a topic I speak a lot about) personified by swabbing: why is swabbing not widespread and why the guys don't think it will necessarily become so even in a world where hygiene will remain of great importance

How has the UK dealt with the pandemic thus far; how the role of the EHO hasn't been embraced and why EHOs should be playing a much larger role

Views on the future: how likely are we to return to normal and when? Will we still require masks, distancing, enhanced hygiene etc?

A great episode, packed full of interesting and valuable insights.