On this episode we talk with Tony Portera. Tony is a lawyer, a psychologist and an ultra runner. 

Tony has participated in several races that have been mentioned on Marathon Investigation.

We discuss some specific cases of cheating and have a general discussion on his thoughts on cheating, and his thoughts on shaming, and when publicly outing cheaters may be appropriate.

We also have an interesting discussion on different types of cheating and we debate whether there are different levels of cheating or if all cheating should be looked at equally. 

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