Jonathan Gullis was deputy chair of the Conservative Party and Under Secretary of State for School Standards under Rishi Sunak he lost his Stoke North seat at the 2024 General Election.

In December last year he announced he was joining Reform UK.

In this podcast Jonathan outlines the reasons for his defection and the challenges that absorbing defectors poses for the party.

Ken and Wendy float some radical policy ideas relating to education which is one of Jonathan's specialist subjects.