Joining Albie on this episode of A Conversation with Albie is Juan Muro. A Barren Space Bigwig. The creator and executive producer of Thinking Outside The Long Box The Podcast. This conversation was recorded live in Eaton, Colorado on June 1, 2019. It's the night before Albie joins the rest of the TOTLB crew for interviews and panels at the Denver Pop Culture Con. We are joined by his amazing wife Alicia Muro for a bit as well. #getsome #whammy #itiswhatitis Support all of Albie's creations at https://www.patreon.com/trekaholic