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In this thoughtful and funny conversation, Kristen welcomes back Caity for a real-talk episode about boredom, overstimulation, and what it actually means to “touch grass.” Together they explore how our phones have quietly become both comfort and curse - feeding anxiety, stealing stillness, and numbing curiosity.

The two swap childhood road trip stories, talk about the lost art of just staring out a window, and unpack how silence once sparked imagination and creativity. Caity shares how, during a major life transition, boredom unexpectedly led her to trail running, solitude, and self-discovery.

From echo chambers and endless scrolling to rediscovering our senses outdoors, this episode asks a simple but powerful question: what happens when we finally stop refreshing our feeds and start refreshing our minds?

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