In this episode, Calvin Correli sits down with Lloyd Burnett—a long time Simplero customer and friend.

Lloyd got triggered over one of Calvin’s Instagram stories, where he was taking a friendly jab at the rioters and looters. That led to a private dialogue, and we decided to take it public, because we both felt that what we’d uncover would be valuable to other people and the larger healing of the racial conflicts the world is experiencing right now, and has experienced for a long time.

We both believe in the importance of open, honest, respectful, and loving dialogues, as the most important tool we have for healing as a nation.

Listen to this episode if you want to experience a healing deep dive into the pain.