This week we welcomed in Special Guest and sending Pastor Mike Augsburger from Soteria in West Des Moines. Mike has been the lead pastor at Soteria for the past 14 years and has grown the church to new heights, even planting a new church on the East-Side of Des Moines, Park Church! Mike joins us today as we talk about elders, pastors, and bishops in the church, what it looks like to have a toxic culture in churches, and how we can attempt to avoid that with constructive conversations.  Transparency goes a long way in communications, and grace plays a part as well in not holding our administrative team to different standards than the next sheep in the flock. J

We talk a little about Applebees, the Iowa Hawkeyes, and leading sheep; not accumulating sheep.

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