In this episode, Joseph sits down with Jonathan Kreiner, CTO and Co-Founder of Orion Security, fresh off the back of a $32m Series A and his Forbes 30 Under 30 recognition.In this conversation, we cover: • Why traditional DLP fails, from unscalable policies to 80–97% false positives • Why false positives are a symptom, not the root cause • How Orion is building an AI-native DLP with no policies or regex, using AI agents to judge intent in real time • The analogy between antivirus vs EDR and what it means for data security • AI agents as the next insider threat • Real-world deepfake hiring incidents and layered security in Fortune 500 environmentsJonathan's LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-kreiner/Orion Security - https://www.linkedin.com/company/orionsec/Joseph's LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/cybercoops/Aspiron Search - https://www.linkedin.com/company/aspiron-search/