In the Harry Potter world, Homenum Revelio is a spell that reveals human presence. In our world, Homenum Revelio is a podcast that uses Harry Potter characters to explore empathy. The world tells us every day that success and happiness come from external places. But what if lasting joy has more to do with finding real connection than with chasing a finish line that's constantly moving?

What if there's already magic between us?

Hosts Jeffrey San Gabriel and Mary Ogilvie practice empathy using characters from the Harry Potter books, with hopes that we can all get better at practicing with real people.

Jeff and Mary don't have all the answers or all the wisdom - they’re here to practice, too! So make yourself some tea (or whatever you like), pull up a chair, and join them in seeking connection.

Because remember, there's magic between us.