Prisons don't do what we want them to do. Should we ditch them? Or perhaps reimagine them?

Cait speaks to abolitionist and criminologist David Scott about why he hopes for a world without prisons. 

Then she interviews Are Hoidal, former warden of Halden Prison in Norway, about a different approach to imprisonment that seems to yield better results. 

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