Here is part 2 of the conversation between Phil and Steve Woods. In this episode the following was discussed;

- How long trainings should last

- Thoughts on protecting the trainees

- How to assess trainee competency

- Facilitated programming vs commercialism

- Measuring program success

- The British belay technique with a catchy name.

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Music and Sound effects - epidemicsound.com

Intro music - I've Found My Way by Hallman Bridge music - This is the Right Time by Orjan Karlsson