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For the last few weeks, in our series Love You for You, we’ve been bringing you conversations between transgender and nonbinary kids and the people in their lives who love and support them so they can thrive.

This week, we hear excerpts from two longer conversations we’re dropping on our podcast between young people in their 20s and transgender elders, whose lives reflect the long arc of transgender activism here in California. Quetzali, a 23-year-old Latinx nonbinary organizer from Sacramento, talks to 79-year-old transgender Chicana activist Donna Personna. And Zen Blossom, who works at a Black trans cultural center, speaks with Andrea Horne, an actress, jazz singer, historian and social worker.

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