In this week's episode Jeff has taken time out to recover from SAS 2019 and David has been joined by David Emm, principle security researcher at Kaspersky Lab.

During the podcast, David and David look at a new report from Bloomberg which reveals that Amazon is using auditors to listen in to Amazon Echo recordings, in order to fine-tune Alexa.

They also look at how an app, to turn your car into a 'smart-car', wasn't that smart - due to hard-coded passwords inside the app.