In this episode of the Fathering Strong podcast, Pastor Eli Williams speaks with Susan A. Brown, the director of Franklin County Child Support. They discuss the importance of fatherhood advocacy, the impact of engaged fathers, and the evolution of child support systems. Susan shares her personal father's story and how it shaped her career, as well as the transformative changes in Franklin County's approach to child support, focusing on humanizing the process and building trust with fathers. They explore the role of behavioral economics and procedural justice in improving participation and outcomes for families. In this conversation, Susan A. Brown discusses the complexities of child support, particularly how individuals in poverty face punitive actions due to their inability to pay. She emphasizes the importance of a supportive approach to fatherhood, highlighting innovative programs and community collaborations aimed at providing holistic support to fathers. The discussion also covers the significance of mediation and communication in navigating child support issues, ultimately stressing that fathers play a crucial role in their children's development.