This conversation welcomes Father Jarel Robinson-Brown, Assistant Curate at St Botolph-without-Aldgate and Holy Trinity Minories, London, and the Revd Dr Karl Rutlidge, a Methodist Minister in Kingston-upon-Thames, and is hosted by SWF's Emma Pavey. We talk about Jarel and Karl's contributions to the book 'The Book of Queer Prophets', the cost of ministry and the gift of the queer perspective.

This episode was recorded in 2020, part of the 'Flourishing' series. Biographical details may have changed since the descriptions in the recording.