Keith is a certified Crisis Specialist, marriage counselor, award-winning author, and educator who listens and helps address emotional problems through Person-Centered Counseling. This conversation was packed with so many interesting insights, philosophical debates, and reflections on human nature, that it is hard to sum them all up. Keith is someone who clearly has spent a lot of time trying to understand people and the world we live in better. Interestingly, his earlier life was spent in a much more selfish way. He was a misogynist and womanizer, whose main goal was to make himself happy. But thanks to his own hard work, his value of "transparency", and some good foundations set by his mother and grandmother, he radically transformed his life.

Some of the really intriguing concepts that came up in this discussion were centered around Keith's view that there is a battle between good and evil in the world; and those on the "good" side have a responsibility to step up and make the world a better place. For those who have listened before, you may know that I tend to believe people are all generally good but our minds lead astray to do bad things. So Keith and I explored that concept to try and understand why some people would "choose" to do harm. We also tried to understand how you would know if you were on the "good" side. As I mentioned, it was a packed episode, so we also touched on race, politics, and some other relevant issues. 

Towards the end of the discussion, Keith made a really interesting point about outcomes. There are so many factors at play and the world is so complex that it can feel overwhelming. Sometimes it is easy to get lost in it all and lose your purpose. Keith's point was that you should focus on the outcomes as your guide to tell you if you are being honest with yourself and on the right track. I found this really interesting. If you apply it to our politicians, as an example, many of them feel like they are doing the good work to help the country. Yet we sit here today, seemingly as divided and contentious as ever. If they look at the outcome, of where the country actually is, they would be really hard pressed to convince themselves that they don't need to be better (rather than just pointing the finger at the other side). A big thanks to Keith for spending time talking with me and sharing so much of his perspective and knowledge.