No, we will not give context for this episode’s title!! You’ll just have to listen to our joyful conversation with friend, client, and colleague Stephen Kertis. We talk about his beginnings at a PBS station in Western Kentucky, forming his creative agency, and spelunking with a living music legend. Stephen also generously shares the influence that grief, storytelling, and relationship-building have on his business.

Learn more about Kertis Creative here.