Join Phil and Rich as they travel together for a training. So many great conversations go unrecorded when traveling for work so in this episode we had a microphone ready as we discussed;

- Best and Worst Traveling stories

- A couple of canadian misadventures

- The luxuries of airtravel 30 years ago

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Music and Sound effects - epidemicsound.com

Intro/Outro song - Future is Now by FLYIN