This one's for my city folks - nature isn't just for the burbs! And BTW, I thought I knew what I meant by "plant time" but this chat with my friend, the ever-poetic Joél Leon, put it on a whole new level.

[marked "explicit" for its authentic NYC language only]

For a constant feed of wisdom from Joél Leon, check out his Instagram.

Want to see pics from the garden? Instagram: @freshclippings

Show art by Alison McKenzie

Production guidance from Evan Roberts

Special thanks to Jeremy Bloom

Episode music from Blue Dot Sessions:

Our Son the Potter (Love and Weasel)

Pigpaddle Creek (Sour Mash)

Gamboler (Pglet)

Pili Piper (Pglet)

Frank and Poet (Reflections)