🎙️ Triggernometry Fallout: What Real Difficult Conversations Sound Like – with Katy Jon Went

After the now-infamous Triggernometry episode with Deborah Frances-White (the Guilty Feminist) sparked widespread debate, this episode is the antidote. Penny Dee sits down with Katy Jon Went – speaker, writer, and veteran of difficult conversations – for a real, respectful, and unfiltered discussion about identity, belief, and backlash in today's divided world.

From confronting family dynamics to defending free speech, Katy brings a lifetime of experience to the table. No spin. No shutdowns. Just proper conversation.

👉 If you've ever felt stuck between staying silent and speaking your truth, this one's for you.

🎧 What You'll Learn: ✔️ How to approach controversial topics without confrontation ✔️ Why disagreement doesn't mean disrespect ✔️ How to deal with public backlash and online conflict ✔️ Why humour and curiosity still matter ✔️ The difference between "having a conversation" and delivering a lecture

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🌐 Connect with Katy Jon Went: Website: https://www.katyjon.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/katyjonwent

📚 Penny's Book: KWEENS: Happiness Decoded

Not your average self-help book. It's part memoir, part manual, part middle finger to the status quo. Written by Penny Dee, it's the book you give your best mate… or your younger self. Available now in paperback, Kindle, and Audible → Buy KWEENS on Amazon

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🕰️ Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction and Early Life 00:46 Navigating Identity and Family Dynamics 01:53 The Complexity of Conversations 03:39 Confrontation vs. Conversation 07:43 The Importance of Free Speech 11:27 Changing Beliefs and Open-Mindedness 18:47 Navigating Political and Social Nuances 32:50 Exploring Human Rights in Gender Debates 33:46 Finding Common Ground in Disagreements 34:41 Personal Experiences with Differing Opinions 35:56 The Importance of Open-Minded Conversations 37:26 Navigating Public Discourse and Backlash 44:53 The Role of Humor in Sensitive Topics 55:28 The Impact of Algorithms on Social Discourse 59:07 Encouraging Meaningful Conversations 01:01:38 Final Thoughts and Contact Information