Welcome to Episode 10 of the True Images Podcast!

In this episode, host Carlie Cleveland sits down with Drew Boa, founder of Husband Material and an expert in pornography addiction recovery, to unpack the deeper roots of sexual brokenness. Instead of treating pornography as a simple behavior problem, Drew exposes how the industry deliberately exploits the core wounds, isolation, and unaddressed pain of both men and women.

This is our last, full, sit-down interview podcast for the season! Join the hosts as they talk about their time creating The True Images Podcast and what they've learned from one another.

If you or someone you love has felt trapped in a loop of shame and failure, stay for the interview and listen to a refreshing, hopeful, and deeply biblical roadmap to lasting freedom with Drew and Carlie.

Stick around after as Carlie is joined by Ivan and John to process the interview, discuss how these truths play out in everyday life, and share practical ways the Church can create spaces for healing.

00:00 - Group Chat09:04 - Interview with Drew Boa: How Porn Exploits Pain & Finding Lasting Freedom1:04:13 - Discussion: The Root of the Problem and Healing in Jesus

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Find Today's Guest: Drew Boa is a counselor, author, and the founder of Husband Material, an organization dedicated to helping men outgrow porn and become fully alive.

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This week, we have a special BONUS interview with special guest, Rev. Bonnie Gatchell!

Rev. Bonnie is the founder and director of Route One Ministry, an organization dedicated to encountering, loving, and ministering to women exploited by the sex trade. Operating on the frontlines, she brings powerful insight into what human trafficking actually looks like on the East Coast today, moving past the myths to reveal the heartbreaking reality—and the hope that can break through it.

In a culture where the realities of the sex trade are often misunderstood or sensationalized, it’s easy to look away—but the gospel calls us to step into the dark places with truth, grace, and real restoration.

This week, Carlie and Rev. Bonnie Gatchell sit down for an interview to talk about the realities of modern trafficking, ministering to women surviving the sex trade, and how the Church can offer true refuge.

Engaging with the brokenness of our world isn't about fear; it's about bringing the light of Christ to the places that need it most. Tune in for an episode packed with eye-opening truths, practical ways to help, and deep theological wisdom.

Meet This Week's Guest:

Rev. Bonnie Gatchell – https://www.routeoneministry.org/

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Welcome to Episode 9 of the True Images Podcast!TRIGGER WARNING: This episode contains discussions of the sex trade, prostitution, and sexual exploitation. Some matter is disturbing.This week, we are joined by guest Elly Arrow for a sobering and essential conversation on the global realities of the sex trade. As we continue our mission to uncover a truly biblical vision of human flourishing, we must look honestly at the systems that commodify and dehumanize. Elly joins Carlie to compare and contrast the legal and social landscapes of pr*stitution in both Germany and the United States, shedding light on the often-hidden exploitation within these industries.First, join John, Ivan, and Carlie for the weekly Group Chat. This week, our hosts chat about what to do when you feel off and all things getting back up when you're down.Then, settle in for an eye-opening and challenging interview. Elly and Carlie dive deep into the complexities of the s*x trade, deconstructing the "normalization" of the industry and discussing its devastating impact on individuals and communities. They explore how Elly's perspective as a radical feminist and the need to see beyond the transaction to the inherent dignity of the person. Timestamps:0:00 – Show Begins: Group Chat10:43 – Interview with Elly Arrow: The Reality of the S*x Trade in Germany and the US1:29:28 – Discussion: Upholding Dignity and Confronting ExploitationMeet This Week's Guest:Elly Arrowhttps://ellyarrow.wordpress.com/https://dieunsichtbarenmaenner.wordpress.com/menu/The Deep Dive Guide:Find this week's guide with scripture, discussion questions, and our recommended reads on our website ⁠⁠⁠Our Website:⁠⁠⁠⁠www.therealtruthministries.com⁠The True Images Podcast is produced by The Real Truth Ministries. Copyright © 2026 by True Images Podcast. All rights reserved.Song: Domastic - Weird Dream [NCS Release]Music provided by: NoCopyrightSounds

Welcome to Episode 8 of the True Images Podcast!

TRIGGER WARNING: This episode details sexual abuse and navigating a Christian response to forgiveness.

This week, we are joined by guest Kelly Kelly for a courageous and timely conversation on one of the most painful realities within the Church: navigating the fallout after abuse happens in the Body of Christ. As we continue our mission to expose exploitation and uphold human dignity, we must also address the wounds caused by those in positions of trust. Kelly joins Carlie to discuss the heavy road of ministry and how a community moves forward after a leader disqualifies themselves from service.

First, join John, Ivan, and Carlie for the weekly Group Chat. It's Thanksgiving in May! In the spirit of the season (when we recorded many moons ago), the hosts talk all things Thanksgiving and food, sharing their favorite must-have dishes.

Then, settle in for a vulnerable and restorative interview. Rather than shying away from the complexity of betrayal and loss of trust, Kelly and Carlie tackle the hard questions head-on. They explore the biblical mandate for forgiveness alongside the necessity of accountability, offering hope and a roadmap for healing when the very people meant to lead us cause harm. The goal is to uphold the dignity of survivors: not to belittle abuse or allow it to happen, but instead make sure abusers are stopped from harming others again, led towards genuine repentance in Jesus.

Timestamps:

• 0:00 – Show Begins: Group Chat

• 10:05 – Interview with Kelly Kelly: Ministry, Betrayal, and the Path to Forgiveness

• 1:24:52 – Discussion: Healing Together: Forgiving, Protecting Survivors, and Facilitating Genuine Repentance

  
  

Meet This Week's Guest:Kelly Kelly

https://www.instagram.com/thegracefulwarriorproject/

https://thegracefulwarriorproject.com/the-graceful-warrior-project-team/

The Deep Dive Guide:Find this week's guide with scripture, discussion questions, and our recommended reads here: ⁠⁠⁠Deep Dive Guide

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The True Images Podcast is produced by The Real Truth Ministries. Copyright © 2026 by True Images Podcast. All rights reserved.

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Welcome to Episode 7 of the True Images Podcast!

This week, we are joined by scholar and author Dr. David T. Lamb to tackle one of the most frequent challenges brought against the Christian faith: Does the Bible dehumanize women? As we continue our mission to expose the exploitation within the sex trade, we often hear the argument that scripture itself is a source of oppression. Dr. Lamb joins Carlie to bridge that gap, offering vital cultural context and revealing the radical equality the Bible actually extends to women.

Before our deep dive, join Ivan and Carlie for the weekly Group Chat. This week, the hosts talk world travel, trips, and favorite visits.

Then, settle in for an enlightening conversation on why understanding the "difficult" parts of scripture is key to defending human dignity today. Rather than running away from the uncomfortable parts of scripture, apologizing them away, or settling for run around answers, Dr. Lamb and Carlie tackle them head on. Dr. Lamb explains how a proper view of the Bible empowers us to fight against modern-day dehumanization in all its forms.

Timestamps:0:00 – Show Begins: Group Chat8:00 – Interview with Dr. David T. Lamb: Does the Bible Dehumanize Women?1:06:35 – Discussion: Redemption, Equality, and the Biblical Narrative

Meet This Week's Guest:

David T. Lamb – https://davidtlamb.com/

The Deep Dive Guide:Find this week's guide with scripture, discussion questions, and our recommended reads here: ⁠⁠Deep Dive Guide⁠⁠

Our Website:

⁠⁠www.therealtruthministries.com

The True Images Podcast is produced by The Real Truth Ministries. Copyright © 2026 by True Images Podcast. All rights reserved.

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Welcome to Episode 6 of the True Images Podcast!

This week, we are joined by world-renowned author and activist Gale Dines to confront the systemic harms of the pornography industry. As a leading voice in the feminist critique of sexual exploitation, Gale joins Carlie to discuss how the industry functions as a primary source of dehumanization and a destructive force against human dignity.

Before our deep dive, Ivan, John, and Carlie for the weekly Group Chat. This week, the hosts share their favorite things about Jason and how he's impacted their lives.

Then, settle in for a challenging and necessary conversation on why reclaiming our culture from the influence of pornography is essential for a just society. Gale and Carlie break down the myths of the industry and how we can work toward a world that honors the personhood of every individual.

Timestamps:0:00 – Show Begins: Group Chat – We love Jason11:57 – Interview with Gale Dines: Pornography as a System of Exploitation1:10:00– Discussion: How to Advocate for a Dehumanized Culture

Meet This Week's Guest:

Gale Dines – Professor Emerita, prolific author, and the President of Culture Reformed, an organization dedicated to providing a deep-level critique of the pornographic industry and its impact on society. ⁠https://culturereformed.org/⁠

The Deep Dive Guide:

Ready to go deeper into the ethics of dignity? Find this week's guide with scripture, discussion questions, and our recommended reads here: ⁠Deep Dive Guide⁠

Our Website: ⁠www.therealtruthministries.com⁠

The True Images Podcast is produced by The Real Truth Ministries. Copyright © 2026 by True Images Podcast. All rights reserved.

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This week, we have a special BONUS interview with special guest, Dr. Julia Sadusky! Dr. Sadusky is a licensed psychologist and the author of multiple books including, Start Talking to Your Kids About Sex. She specializes in helping families navigate complex topics including sexuality, eating disorders, and mental health from a grounded, faith-based perspective.

Does the thought of "the talk" make you want to hide? You’re not alone. In a culture that feels increasingly chaotic, many Christian parents are retreating into fear—but God’s design isn’t a list of "don'ts," it’s gospel-centered beauty for wholeness and safety.

This week, Carlie and Dr. Julia Sadusky sit down for an interview to talk all things boundaries, safety, and raising kids with a gospel-centered vision of sexuality.

If you’ve ever wondered how to teach modesty without shaming, or how to set boundaries that actually stick, this episode is your survival guide.

Dr. Sadusky breaks down the clinical and spiritual "why" behind the hard conversations, giving you a roadmap to move from a shame-based posture to a Christ-based one.

Parenting according to God’s design isn't about building a bubble; it's about building a foundation. Tune in for an episode packed with "I can actually do that" advice and deep theological wisdom.

Meet This Week's Guest:

Dr. Julia Sadusky – https://www.juliasadusky.com/

Our Website: ⁠www.therealtruthministries.com⁠

The True Images Podcast is produced by The Real Truth Ministries. Copyright © 2026 by True Images Podcast. All rights reserved.

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Welcome to Episode 5 of the True Images Podcast!

This week, we are diving into the front lines of the fight against exploitation with Helen Taylor, the VP of Impact for Exodus Cry. As a leader in the faith-based anti-trafficking movement, Helen joins Carlie to pull back the curtain on the pornography industry’s direct impact on survivors of the sex trade.

NOTE: Helen helped us learn the proper language used by anti-trafficking activists regarding the sex trade. After this episode, we learned why it's important to use terms like "prostituted woman" or "sexual exploitation industry" that more accurately reflect the issues in the sex trade.

Before our deep dive, join our hosts for the weekly Group Chat. This time, the hosts discuss their personal "armor"—the specific outfits, styles, or items they wear to feel confident and prepared while on the job and give a behind the scenes look at making the podcast.

Then, settle in for a powerful conversation on why dismantling porn culture is a crucial mission for followers of Jesus. Helen and Carlie break down the reality of the industry and how we can advocate for the dignity of every human being.

• The Impact on Survivors: Helen shares insights into how the pornography industry fuels the global sex trade and affects those who are exploited by it.

• Faith in Action: Why fighting porn culture is not just a social issue, but a spiritual necessity for Christians.

• Exodus Cry’s Mission: How Helen and her team are working to abolish sex trafficking and offer hope to the exploited.

  
  

  Timestamps:

  0:00 – Show Begins: Group Chat – Our Professional "Armor"

  11:00 – Interview with Helen Taylor: Pornography and the Sex Trade

  1:07:23 – Discussion: Why Followers of Jesus Must Lead the Fight

Meet This Week's Guest:

Helen Taylor – VP of Impact for Exodus Cry, an international organization committed to abolishing sex trafficking and commercial sexual exploitation.https://exoduscry.com/

The Deep Dive Guide:

Ready to go deeper into the ethics of dignity? Find this week's guide with scripture, discussion questions, and our recommended reads here:Deep Dive Guide

Our Website: www.therealtruthministries.com

The True Images Podcast is produced by The Real Truth Ministries. Copyright © 2026 by True Images Podcast. All rights reserved.

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Welcome to Episode 4 of the True Images Podcast!

This week, we're discussing why pornography is so dehumanizing for women, what consent really means, and are joined by one of the most provocative voices in the fight against the sex trade, Robert Jensen.

Before the deep dive, join our hosts for our weekly Group Chat as they talk about becoming authors, and Ivan shares a fun surprise he's working on. Then, get ready for a conversation that challenges everything you thought you knew about "consent" and the sex trade.

Our guest Robert is a retired professor and author of the groundbreaking book Getting Off: Pornography and the End of Masculinity.

Robert explains a radical feminist point of view, and he and Carlie discuss how pornography industry isn't about "freedom" or "expression"; it’s a system of exploitation that trains us to see human beings as objects to be consumed.

• The "Getting Off" Critique: Why Robert Jensen believes pornography is the ultimate tool of dehumanization.

• Radical Feminism vs. The Sex Trade: Why the industry's version of "empowerment" is actually a trap.

• The Consent Myth: Why "two consenting adults" isn't enough to make an industry ethical.

• Common Ground: How a secular radical feminist and a biblical worldview align on the destruction of the sex trade and porn culture

Timestamps:0:00 - Show Begins, Group Chat11:22 - Interview with Robert Jensen1:17:10 - Discussion: How should Christians think about porn, masculinity, and consent?

Meet this Week's Guest:Robert Jensen – Author of Getting Off and The End of Patriarchy.

https://robertwjensen.org/

The Deep Dive Guide:

Ready to go deeper into the ethics of dignity? Find this week's guide with scripture, discussion questions, and our recommended reads here:Deep Dive Guide

Our Website: ⁠⁠www.therealtruthministries.com

The True Images Podcast is produced by The Real Truth Ministries. Copyright © 2026 by True Images Podcast. All rights reserved.

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Welcome to the third episode of the True Images Podcast!

This week, we are leaning into a beautiful truth: God’s design for sexuality is not a restriction of our joy, but the very source of our freedom.

So often, we view God’s boundaries as a cage. We cling to what we think we need—things that reject what God says is truly good—fearing that surrender means losing our comfort. But as we explore in this episode, true liberation only comes when we trade the heavy chains of our own sin for the light yoke of Jesus.

Before the deep dive, join our hosts for Group Chat as they discuss the wild and crazy parts of youth ministry. Then, stay tuned for a powerful conversation with this week’s guest, Colton Beach.

In this interview, Colton opens up about the cost and the reward of obedience to faithfully following Jesus—trusting God's way is truly good, even when it means committing to a life of celibacy. He and Carlie discuss how the "freedom" the world promises is often just a different kind of invited slavery, and how walking in God’s design—though it requires sacrifice—is the only path that leads to an integrated, whole, and truly free life.

In this episode, we discuss:

• The paradox of finding freedom through surrender.

• Why "giving up" our perceived needs is actually an upgrade.

• How to navigate the tension between cultural narratives and biblical truth.

• Colton’s personal journey

Timestamps:

0:00 - Show Begins, Group Chat

11:12 - Interview with Colton Beach

1:09:43 - Discussion: Surrender, Identity, and the Path to Freedom

Meet this Week's Guest:Colton Beach - https://www.instagram.com/everyones.favorite.beach/

The Deep Dive Guide

Find this week's guide with scripture, discussion questions, and our recommended listens and reads here:

Deep Dive Guide

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The True Images Podcast is produced by The Real Truth Ministries. Copyright © 2026 by True Images Podcast. All rights reserved.

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