Cliff and I discuss the latest in Democratic politics with political messaging consultant Greg Pinelo, who worked for Obama and many other Democratic candidates over the years. We talk to Greg about Trump's latest treason with Ukraine, and more generally how Democrats can win in 2020. Don't be fooled by my short description, it's a 90-minute rocking conversation!

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