Well it happened. Trump has been indicted a fourth time before we could get the podcast out on the first three. But our conversation with former federal prosecutor Jerry O’Neill is still relevant because we explore the two indictments by a federal grand jury for Trump’s handling of top secret documents AND his efforts to overturn the 2020 election. We do NOT discuss the fourth indictment - this week - by a grand jury in Georgia. This one charges Trump with a broad conspiracy to overturn the election. But this time there are 18 additional defendants, including his lawyer Rudy Guiliani. This charge - if it sticks - can not be erased by a presidential pardon and REQUIRES jail time.