Kathy Hubble, CEO of Amelio Health joins Vanessa Hall to discuss the trust challenges in the health profession, specifically in the management of persistent and chronic pain. Kathy has created a dual pathway program, for both the health care professional and for clients to gain a greater understanding of the biopsychosocial aspects of persistent pain and to rebuild trust in critical relationships in an industry where trust is absolutely foundational. www.ameliohealth.com