Firstly, apologies for the background noise at times on this one, Tamy-Fee had to do the recording from a public place. I had a sense the discussion would be a good one though, so I wanted to try and get it done. Hopefully it is not too bad. 

Tamy-Fee lead off with trust as her most important value and the conversation took some interesting, thought provoking turns from there. What we realized through the discussion was that there were two forms of "trust" at play, little "t" trust and big "T" Trust. For Tamy-Fee the most important thing is living in a world where you have big "T" Trust in the people you engage with. That means you can Trust that those people have done the work to better understand themselves, deal with their insecurities/fears/etc., and be able to rationally make decisions that come from a place of compassion and humanity. She made an important distinction too that this does not mean everyone has to agree and think the same; it simply means that when we disagree we can Trust that each of us are coming from a rational/humane place and can have a genuine conversation about why we disagree. We then explored this a bit with some real life examples, involving, parenting, race, and professional careers.

Although I very much like Tamy-Fee's view and the insights we discovered, I do still wonder about the practical implementation of it. As we know, in society today there is a lack of big "T" Trust across many different people and groups. We tried to understand why this might be and in doing so we inevitably run into the problem of "who gets to decide?" Who gets to decide if you've done the "work" effectively, who gets to decide if the approach you take is "humane", who gets to decide if there are certain underlying values that are universal and non-negotiable (and if so, what are they)? Tamy-Fee's hope is that if everyone genuinely does their best to build Trust in themselves and each other, it won't be perfect and we will still have issues, but overall we will be a lot better off.