Defending the thin blue line between order and chaos means walking the talk, but it seems the top brass have been found wanting. Andrew Urquhart and guests weigh up the politics, policy and culture surrounding high level leadership positions, tackling the case of disgraced former Deputy Police Commissioner Jevon McSkimming; and speculation over PM Christopher Luxon's tenure. 
With Dr Bryce Edwards (Integrity Institute), John Peachey (thethinkfarm.org), and Jillaine Heather (fsu.nz)

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