On Monday night, two more Republican senators came out against the health care bill. Is that the fatal blow? Guests: Carl Hulse, who covers Congress for The Times; Maggie Haberman, who traveled with President Trump to France last week. For more information on today’s episode, visit http://nyti.ms/2uC0Zhh.

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