In this episode, Drew and Alex talk with Nazli Donmez. She is a fellow Chapman University alumni and shares her firsthand experiences on how Turkey’s democracy, under the leadership of Recep Erdogan, has slipped into autocratic rule. They look into modern Turkey’s push for secular politics, its military influence, and the cultural backlash from religious conservatives. Nazli also talks about how a lot of Erdogan’s rhetoric mirrors Donald Trump and other populists’ rhetoric.